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  • fatjoe
    10-22 04:14 PM
    Cali: Did you try Ombudsman too? No result?
    Mine is at TSC. PD: July 04. RD: Aug 17, 2007. ND: Oct 15, 2007. What is your RD and ND?
    I have a feeling that the IO might look at the applications received on Aug 17, 2007, only at last. Its because, when I went for infopass, the IO said that, "You have filed on the last date, so you will have to wait".
    Anyhow, I have tried all that I could, and now I leave it to the Almighty.[/QUOTE]

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    09-18 02:56 PM
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  • jayZinDC
    01-26 12:32 PM
    The funniest thing is 3/4 of the countries on the list are part of the erstwhile British empire. How's that for irony. They loot and dominate you on one hand and subject you to inane laws on the other. Here is a classic example of what is good for the goose is not good for the gander.
    But here is another link to a funny article on the reverse .htm

    Found this on the site:



    In other words:

    Color of Skin: Different shades of Brown.
    Language: Predominantly non English.
    Facial Features: Non Anglo Saxon (Indian, Arab, Oriental, African)
    Economic Condition of the Country: so so to very bad.

    If all the above points apply to you, then you must apply for a DAT Visa.

    BTW Did they exclude any African country from the list?

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  • camarasa
    07-10 01:19 AM
    Don't know if anyone noticed but Mr. Emilio's statement nowhere indicates any acknowledgement of the hardships caused by the fiasco. If he (and USCIS) knows about "flowers", I am sure USCIS knows about the scramble, hardships and frustration caused by the fiasco. A simple acknowledgement through something like " ....while we regret unintended consequences of following our internal procedures, we have made arrangements to forward the flowers to ..." would have demonstrated leadership or honesty of intent which I guess is in short supply

    I think he is trying to say if anybody needs flowers its our men in uniform and not us (USCIS). I hope I am wrong but thats my perspective. Have sent the flowers anyway ;)
    Two things quickly...

    1) He was probably advised by their lawyers not to mention anything about the visa bulletin for legal reasons.
    2) I didn't realize this until this evening when I mentioned the whole flower thing to my wife and she reminded me that government officials and agencies aren't meant to accept gifts from anyone. I believe this may have been considered a gift, or at least a grey area and perhaps they believed that discretion was the better part of valor.

    I work for a government department, not as a State employee but as a vendor, and they aren?t allowed to accept anything from us that may be construed as a gift. Even when we have our annual golf days, ours are paid for by the vendor company but the State is forced to pay for themselves.


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  • greencardvow
    07-31 07:10 PM
    I doubt that. Medical was relaxed since it can take time for people to get the medicals done. Also immigration doctors were all busy at this time. So it is possible that people arent able to get the meds done by the Aug 17 deadline. The other documents like EVL shouldnt take this long. If the employer is willing to provide future employment to someone then it should be sent along with the application. Whether USCIS will relax for lack of Initial Evidence other than Medical is hard to say. It is always better to be safe than sorry.
    But I agree, these two things are different. Only medicals have been relaxed by USCIS via its press release. Since a lot of the lawyers have sent without some initial evidence, AILA should use its proven;-) negotiation skills to get USCIS to issue a new press release which ascertains that only singatures and filing fees are required at this time.

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  • masterji
    08-14 01:26 AM
    I received my GC by snail mail. Here are the chronological events--
    08/02 (Monday)- PD became current, called to open SR:confused:
    08/03 (Tuesday)-CPO e-mail:)
    08/10 (Tuesday)- Welcome notice received by snail mail :rolleyes:
    08/13 (Friday)- GC received by snail mail :D

    The card looks like a credit card, greenish in color (hey, after all it is GC). It does not smell or taste good :D I looked at the card for almost an hour before going to bed. :D

    As a 'masterji' one advice to all: If possible, try to complete a graduate degree (M.S., MBA, Ph.D.) from US. Besides self satisfaction, it REALLY helps professionally.

    Good luck to all!


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  • wizkid732
    08-13 07:59 AM
    15 years (Aug 11th), 2 days and counting .... All in US Came for masters in 1995
    Lets find out who waited the longest, and felicitate him/her.

    I found 3 umar kaidis. (14 yrs is a life term in indian penal system).

    Who is the senior most of these 3?

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  • engineer
    07-16 12:38 AM
    (I saw this 60 minutes show as well)

    But the best part of the interview for non-fans like us who regularly point out Lou's non-obsession with the facts, was an exchange with Stahl where she notes that in the course of a story on illegal immigrant carrying diseases into the US, Dobbs minion Christine Romans says there were 7,000 cases of leprosy in the US in the past 3 years. Says Stahl, "60 Minutes checked that and found a report issued by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, saying that 7,000 is the number of leprosy cases over the last 30 years, not the past three. The report also says that nobody knows how many of those cases involve illegal immigrants." (Emphasis ours). This exchange then ensues:

    "We went to try and check that number, 7,000. We can't...," Stahl says.
    "Well, I can tell you this. If we reported it, it's a fact," Dobbs replies.

    "You can't tell me that. You did report it," Stahl says.

    "I just did," Dobbs says.

    "How can you guarantee that to me?" Stahl asks.

    Says Dobbs, "Because I'm the managing editor. And that's the way we do business. We don't make up numbers, Lesley."

    Wow. Let's let the arrogance linger in the air just a bit, shall we...?

    But that's not all. In the end of the interview, there's this back and forth on whether Lou is a journalist, which of course everyone knows he's not. Imagine an interview with a guy claiming he's Elvis. Same-same:

    STAHL: I'm sitting here saying to myself, `This man runs a news show?'
    Mr. DOBBS: Hmm. I do.

    STAHL: And you can just tell me you don't like the president. Whoo.

    Mr. DOBBS: I, matter of fact, insist that the audience know where I come from.

    STAHL: What about fair and balanced?

    Mr. DOBBS: I've never, Lesley, found the truth to be fair and balanced. I found it to be...

    STAHL: But that's--but wait, what's the definition of "journalism?" That that's in there.

    Mr. DOBBS: I...

    STAHL: That has to be part of what a journalist is, is fair and balanced.

    Mr. DOBBS: I truly believe there's a nonpartisian, independent reality. But more of the same...

    STAHL: But it's your reality.

    Mr. DOBBS: It is my reality.

    STAHL: But it's not the reality.

    Mr. DOBBS: Well, how so


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  • bayarea07
    09-11 08:23 PM
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  • pappu
    09-09 11:39 AM
    You are not alone. This might help (posted by IV member never_give_up:

    To all others like me, who are hesitant and are not sure about the talking points. Below is something that can help.

    You would most likely be talking to a person taking messages and not the congressman/woman directly.
    And you also dont have to explain them the details of the bill, as they are very well aware of it. All you have to tell them is it is about HR5882.

    After one or 2 calls, my message was standardized and this is what I used in all the calls.

    Good Morning. I am calling in regards to the bill HR5882. (Pause for the other person to give you a go ahead and then continue). I would like to express my support for the bill and would like to request the support of Congressman/woman for the bill. If you can pass the message to the Congressman/Woman, that will be greatly appreciated.

    Thank You and have a Great Day.

    Some of the offices will ask you for your phone number and address, go ahead and give it to them. No harm.

    And some might ask you where you are calling them from. My reply to them was - I am calling from the state of VA. I also reached out to my district's congressman, but also wanted to request the support of Congressman XXXX and so am calling your office.

    I was initially hesitant and was not sure as to how to put it together, but it was real eazy and quick. After some calls, I even called up people who do not suppor this like Steve King, etc. It was only a matter of a call and letting them know our opinion. All that I lost was 2 minutes of my time and no money for my unlimited phone plan.

    Not sure how much help it will be, but surely cannot hurt. It would atleast draw their attention due to the large call volume. Yes, some offices told me that they were receiving lot of calls for this bill.

    So go on... do your part.


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  • go_getter007
    01-24 11:55 AM
    Milind123, I can certainly understand your frustration but kudos to you for making your post humorous at several points amidst your painful experience. I especially liked your closing remark about Koh-i-Noor - I'm with you. :D

    Come to think of it, even the country where we are right now (i.e., the US) isn't much different not only in terms of lengthy forms and queues (outside of consulates) but also on making our lives a little more than hard by denying driver's licenses, delaying permanent residence perpetually etc. On top of these issues, apparent hate crimes against Indians at LSU and then at Duke would certainly make a lot of parents a little nervous before sending their kids for higher education here.


    I had the misfortune of travelling thru London in December on my way to Mumbai. After I purchased my tickets, I learnt that I need a transit visa (TV) for UK. (Who is going to tell them (UK) that they are no longer the center of attraction esp. if you have lived and worked in US). Anyway, as per the rules, you need a transit visa if you don?t have a valid US visa. (Note: If you have AP, and don?t have a valid visa, you still need a TV).

    I went to their site and did all the research to get a TV. Good god Heavens! Has anyone filled out their painful form for a TV? Besides asking the usual details, they get extremely nosy. They want to know each and everything about you. Where you work, what money do you make, name of your wife, kids and their citizenship status, name of your father and mother and where they were born, their birth date, how much money you have and where the money is (stocks, bonds, CDS) etc. etc. While filling up the form I realized that, even my future father in law did not pose so many probing questions to me. (Please note: I don?t mind answering these silly questions for a regular visa, but for the damn TV, it is certainly overkill).

    Anyway to cut the long story short. The regular cost of TV is/was $92. However, when I filled up the application form they were asking for $184. (The satisfaction of getting a good deal on the tickets was quickly evaporating). I assumed I must have made a mistake in thinking the cost to be $92 and reluctantly paid $184. Next it was time to fill the application for my wife and answer the idiotic questions again. You should have seen the ?I will kill you right now? look on my wife?s face after I woke her up in the middle of night and asked details about her parents. After I filled up the form, to my surprise, now they were asking $274 for visa fees. It was already 2:00 am and I have no choice but to painfully enter my credit card details, hoping that they would realize the mistake in their recon process and would reimburse the difference. (Of course, I was only dreaming).

    It is now almost the end of January and I have still now received any money from them. I have tried sending several email to the emb(ass)y, but none of their emails work. I get bounced email for all the emails that I have used. I have tried calling them and left messages and no one has called back. I have send emails to my credit card company and the people who processed the payment and none of them have been able to help me. There is a way to talk to someone in the emb(ass)y, but you need to dial a 900 number, which BTW costs $2.49 per minute. Throwing good money after bad is not an option.

    I just wanted to share this experience with you and remind you of the pain ahead, if you are travelling thru UK and don?t have a valid US visa. Personally, even if they had charged me the regular $92, I will still use other options to travel next time. The amount of time wasted in filling the crappy application form, going to NY, (starting Dec doing your finger prints) is simply too much to handle. Visiting your motherland/fatherland is a very special occasion and all these intermediate steps certainly water down the ?good feeling? that you experience during the days leading to your trip.

    I haven?t given up my quest for a refund, but now, not only I want my money back I would like to bring back home the Koh-i-noor too.

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  • vikki76
    10-02 04:11 PM
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    03-10 06:51 AM
    Absolutely - let us start this. IV top brass what say you?

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  • kumar4875
    03-31 10:10 AM
    Looks like this year USCIS understood they need some money and accept some extra applications, which may be the same file I485 when PD is not current. and date might go to end of 2007.
    Just a thought

    If it is for applications money, they might as well make it current.
    There are not many applications between Jan2008 and jan2011

    Demand Prior To China India All OtherCountries Grand Total
    January 1, 2006 0 0 0 0
    January 1, 2007 4,200 13,200 0 17,400
    January 1, 2008 9,725 22,950 0 32,675
    January 1, 2011 9,800 23,050 100 32,950


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  • desi3933
    06-18 11:11 AM
    However, the current "run to the DOL/ICE" approach that you guys are taking may have repercussions well beyond you had bargained for.

    Are you suggesting the fraud should not be reported?

    Its like saying that do not report burglary in your home, as thief may do something bad to the family. Typical scare the victim approach.

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  • sroyc
    08-07 11:23 AM
    As I've mentioned in Rolling_Flood's thread, this issue has some merit and needs to be discussed. My personal take on this is that if you were eligible for an EB2 position at the time of filing the EB3 petition, you should be allowed to interfile.

    I'm probably not going to participate in the lawsuit because I don't want to divide an already weakened community. Neither will I try to stop it because I think it raises some valid questions.

    I personally think that IV needs to make some changes and the first step would be to stop quoting figures like "we have 25K members" when the reality is that hardly 200 people participate in the call campaigns and it was due to random strangers that we were able to collect 5000 signatures for the administrative fixes. Most people come to IV to get some easy answers or to pass time by playing some games like the visa bulletin predictions game or the identify the TSC approval pattern game, etc. Only the core is working relentlessly for us besides a handful of volunteers. I think that there are enough agony aunts for immigration issues and IV should be exclusively for immigration related lobbying and legislation. It's the only way we can get rid of the 25K - 200 people who do nothing and then focus on the real issues.

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  • nrk
    08-16 01:23 PM

    Landed in this country on Aug-16-1997 for Masters. Today myself and my wife both got CPO mail/text message. Thanks IV community and good luck to all. I will be doing my part to make this system better!!!


    PD: 04 Jan 2006, EB2 I
    RD: 07 Jul 2007, TSC (I-140 was with NSC, but the attorney sent it to TSC in the july 2007 fiasco)
    ND: 27 Aug 2007, NSC

    Didn't do anything in 2008 and decided to do everything possible this time around.
    Aug 3 - Primary I-485 SR,
    Aug 5- Primary EAD SR,
    Contacted Congress Woman on Aug 9 - Didn't get any useful info. I think, being in bay area, they might have been flooded with these requests.
    Aug 10 - Opened an Infopass for Aug 18
    Aug 16, 8:30 am - Dependent SR
    Aug 16, 9:30 am - Called the customer service for primary's status - got the standard response that they sent a mail (which i didn't get) asking me to wait for 60 days.
    Aug 16, 11:00 am - Wife called me to inform the good news, the online status change.
    Aug 16, 11:05 am - got the text message (which just said "check your status online").
    Aug 16: Got the CPO mail (time stamped 10:18am)

    Guys (and Gals), Hang in there and you will have your independence soon.

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  • kpsm88
    05-14 03:58 PM

    We have already made plans for our India trip. We will be leaving US on June 2nd. Can we apply 485 on June 1st and leave to India on June 2nd.
    Will there be any complications around this.

    As we will be returning in July, we are not sure if my PD will still be current by the time we return back.

    Thanks for your time and reply


    11-25 05:49 PM
    As a hypothetical example (because vehicle prices always depreciate, so please ignore the reality), let's say you bought that Gas guzzling SUV at 50k and now suddenly after 2 years, due to whatever reason, you go and try to sell the same SUV to the same dealer and he quotes you 5k. Wouldn't you fault that dealer for selling you the same thing at 50k when the actual value of the same asset 2 year back was 5k (but he sold you at 50k and you have only paid back 10k in monthly installments until now). Who is to blame for that 35k deficit? You? Forget the monthly payments here and concentrate on the actual asset value.

    You forgot that dealer is also making 5K for the SUV that he bought from manufacturer for $50,000. In the end everyone lost 35K. So dealer will loose multiples 35K based on how many SUV he has in his inventory. You might suggest he should go to the manufacturer ?
    What you are saying is unprecedented, it has never happened I don't know why are you so convince that it someone else's fault. You are living with a very simplistic and naive idea about the world and you are convinced that's the way of life. Not only that, you are trying to convince others of that. From what I know and seen what you suggest doesn't work and refusal to accept a problem only deepens it.

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    09-24 05:07 PM
    1) Each (EB1/2/3) - 28.6% WW quota = 40040
    2) 5 subscription cataegories under each EB category: I,P,C,M,ROW
    3) Assumption - USCIS distributes equal share among these 5 different subscription categories = 40040/5 =8008 in each EB category for a particular subscription category.


    EB3 All = 40040 ( 0.286 x 140000)
    EB3 ALL = EB3 I + EB3 C + EB3 M + EB3 P + EB3 ROW

    Assuming equal share of all of these 5 subscription categories - 40040/5 = 8008 applications to be worked for "Assigning the visa number" not " for granting the visa (IN other words physical greencard order)"

    7% + 2% = 9% country specific limit is meant for "Granting the visa - Ordering Physical Green card" out of "Applications which have been assigned a visa number"

    Number 2) and hence number 3) are definitely wrong.
    As I mentioned in my other post, the categorisation for I,P,C,M and ROW is based on the fact that I,P,C,M are the only countries with demand exceeding the annual limit.
    ROW = All countries not hitting the 7%(or 9%) country limit. That doesn't mean they are capped at X/5. What would be the basis of that cap.
    Assuming USCIS acts like it is supposed to, follows all rules etc........They start using new numbers on Oct1st of the new FY with a fresh slate of 140k available.
    Now by law, they will first divide the cap into the 5 EB categories -EB1, EB2, EB3, EB4 and EB5. Now once they reach the 7%(or 9) cap in any of the categories, they will have to stop assigning numbers for that country. So for EB3, once they reach the 7 or 9% quota for I,C,M,P - they will need to stop. The rest of the countries(ROW) will get the 100 - (7 x 4) = 72% of the quota. This could be divied up between UK, France, Pak, Germany etc etc. As none of them are going over the 7%, the country cap doesn't affect them. But Since there are a lot of apps under EB3-ROW, there's never any number to spill over to the capped countries.
    In case of EB2, only 2 countries hit the cap - India and China. In this case even P and M are part of ROW. But since the apps from ROW is less than the remaining quota of (100 - 7 x 2)% of the EB2 quota, the remaining will be spilled over. The spillover rules will determine who these go to.
    The way the current spillover rules stand, your final calculations will still hold true for EB2 due to the spillover ultimately remaining the same to EB2. But not for EB3.

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